More Dirty Tricks from CHL
Next week kicks off the Molson Canadian World Hockey Summit in Toronto--with heavy emphasis on Canadian, not so much on world. Oddly though,the big issue that everyone seems to be talking about, is one that likely won't be discussed much.
The original plan for Hockey Canada and the CHL heading into this thing was to sit down with the NHL and remind them of who their real friends were, in regards to Paul Kelly saying mean things about them. And privately, that may still be the case. Publicly, however, there's been a drastic shift in tone from "smug aloof asshole" all the way over to "smug pretending-to-be-conciliatory asshole".
There's been a flurry of articles printed the last couple days, like this one, which feature lots of Jeff Jackson lawsuit-esque statements that prove the gaping chasm between words and actions, such as:
It doesn't mean players don't have the option to go NCAA. We certainly aren't saying negative things about NCAA.
Not to mention multitude of quotes you could dig up like the ones last week with London taking shots at Notre Dame. Of course, there is a very simple solution to all of this, if the CHL is serious about this, and it really is "all about the kids," as Regina Pats president Brent Parker says:
I don't think it's fair to them. They have tough enough decisions as it is. That's where our league has really tried to take the high road through all of this. We recognize it's not the right way to go about it in terms of getting into running down each other's programs.
If you want to take the high road, the WCHA, like most other leagues, has a gentleman's agreement that says once a player makes a commitment to a school, nobody else will talk to them and try to recruit them. I'm sure they'd have no problem with the CHL joining in on that gentleman's agreement.
That's all that needs to be done. All this other silliness about NCAA hockey becoming a professional league like the CHL is just never going to happen. For anyone that thinks, "Just because they're playing with pros doesn't mean they're pros! We can work this out!" I'll point out that this week also marked the release of the demo mode of the new NHL '11 video game, in which you were to play with both the name of likeness of OHLer Tyler Seguin.(That the CHL, negotiating on Seguin's behalf, made sure Seguin gets absolutely nothing out of the deal would be Tyler Seguin's problem, not the NCAAs). I'll say it again, since it doesn't seem to have caught on, but there's a huge difference between an amateur athlete, and a professional that gets very poorly paid.
Personally, I don't buy into the panic about players choosing the CHL over the NCAA much anyway. Earlier this week, I read this quote from Yahoo's excellent Buzz the Net CHL blog(I'm know I'm usually sarcastic about all things CHL, but they truly do a nice job over there):
The NCAA's aim is to stop having, what five or six Cam Fowler-like cases for every player such as Chicago Blackhawks second-round pick Stephen Johns, who turned down the Ontario Hockey League to attend Notre Dame.
First, I'll question the math. Just looking at the draft eligible incoming NCAA freshmen, Adam Clendening, Nick Shore, Dillon Simpson, and Patrick Koudys all had ample opportunity to play in the CHL, which would get us up to 20-30 Cam Fowlers, a number that hardly seems right.
The other problem is classifying most of the kids that go to the CHL as Cam Fowlers--or any other successful CHLer for that matter. By my count, there should be at least 15 Pat Kanes coming out of the CHL for this year's draft.
The biggest reason I don't think there's that much reason to panic is that most of the same people exclaiming that these players jumping to the CHL is the death of NCAA hockey are the same people that were saying that it was death of NCAA hockey when players like Tyler Murovich, Josh Bemis, Beau Schmitz, and Josh Unice backed out on college commitments and jumped to the OHL. As it turned out, all of those kids are going to end up needing a four-year college degree a lot more than the NCAA ever needed them. Incidentally, Unice seems likely to be the only one to get that education from the CHL, as he was willing to give up playing serious hockey at age 20. Murovich forfeited his college deal by signing with an AHL deal this summer, and it seems highly unlikely either of the two, despite going undrafted twice now, will give up their pro hockey aspirations within the next year or two.
Which brings me to my final point about the CHL's Scholarship Program. This piece gets into the CHL's scholarship program in the most superficial way possible. It starts with the title, "CHL seeks truth..." apparently refuting Paul Kelly's claims about the CHL's scholarship program(though the article never bothers with what they are) and finishes with a quote from WHL commissioner Ron Robison saying, "You can't deny what the Canadian Hockey League has done in terms of its education programs, while never actually getting into what it's actually done. There you go. It's all so simple that you don't need any sort of evidence or numbers to know that the CHL is great and Paul Kelly is a lying liar. CHL 1 Reality 0.
I would say that's a monument to dubious journalism, except for the fact that the writer couldn't use any numbers, because such numbers don't exist on the CHL side. Sure, you'll see the occasional press release saying, "200 players are using CHL scholarships! 200 is a very big number!" without ever bothering to get into what percentage of the whole those 200 players are, or how many of those scholarships were going towards one health class. Or more shamefully, press releases that say, "This player's mom is an American apple pie school teacher, and she thinks this scholarship program her son will never use is fantastic!"
The real truth is, while the NCAA maintains publicly available records about exactly what percentage of their athletes are in good academic standing and on pace to graduate within a certain time frame, you'll never see anything close to that from the CHL, because the numbers are embarrassing. As of last year, only about 32% of CHL players were tapping into the scholarship program.
Like I said, this "Hey, we're the good guys" tactic may all be part of the CHL's plan to get the NHL's development money taken away from USA Hockey, and by extension, College Hockey Inc. But it's comical to see how far from reality some of these statements get.
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I'll make this very simple...
- The CHL is about playing high level hockey with an opportunity to get an education.
- The NCAA is about getting an education with the opportunity to play high level hockey.
Done. Pick your priority and go with it.
More mindless dribble from Chris…..just sour grapes cause the CHL is kicking the NCAA’s ass in recruiting elite level talent.
As for the NCAA publishing their graduation rates….tell me Chris is the APR akin to the percent of seniors who graduate on time because if it is then pray tell me how could the Minnesota Gophs have an acceptable APR (according to the NCAA site) yet graduate less than half of their seniors?
More mindless dribble from everybody’s favorite troll… Just sour grapes because you can’t accept facts that hurt your precious CHL.
If the CHL is kicking ass as much as it is why do you feel the need to come here and be so defensive?
You must be is some kind of fantasy land if you really believe the CHL isn’t seriously kicking the NCAA’s ass BIG TIME in the recruiting wars….just take a look at where the top talent is going….it sure aint the NCAA and that is why a blogger like Chris has his little ole panties in the ringer and is lashing out.
He presents facts with links to article that help to put his point across. You passively aggressively attack anything that goes against your precious CHL. You talk about the greatness of the CHL education package and how many players it helps but provide no information on how you reached your conclusion. Because as Chris shows in this article no such information is available, likely due to its poor showing when compared to the NCAA.
No, the NCAA is clearly kicking the CHL’s ass in the recruiting wars. Even the CIS is kicking the CHL’s ass in the recruiting wars.
This is fun. Hooray for arguments without any sort of factual evidence!
Simply take a look at the top ranked players for the 2011 draft and tell me who is winning the recruiting wars…..hint , it aint the NCAA!
Again, the draft or being a high pick isn’t the only way to make the NHL and plenty of high draft picks end up as busts. The draft is about potential to make the NHL based on info given at that age and projections that are nowhere near an exact science, nothing more. A lot of kids develop later and a lot peak early.
AS for CIS teams winning, a lot of times those games end up with the 3rd string goalie playing at some point and a lot of guys who are bottom liners/scratches, seeing a lot of ice time. It’s an exhibition and it’s treated as such by NCAA teams.
by The Rabid One on Aug 25, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
More high draft picks make it to the NHL than lower ones….just another little fact that is getting in your way I suppose.
As for CIS-NCAA exhibitions….it works both ways, CIS teams also treat as an exhibition but the fact that they can keep up with NCAA teams suggest that they are not a beer league like some moron is claiming.
Yeah more high draft picks make it, what’s your point? The CHL has more high draft picks, big deal. On could argue the CHL has a higher potential for high pick busts too. Drafted doesn’t mean NHL player, that’s my point.
Yeah they may treat it as an exhibition, but I do see a lot more CHL teams using one goalie throughout and having their top end guys get high minutes. That’s the difference, for most NCAA teams, this is their first game of the season, a lot of times after having their first official practice that morning, the game isn’t about winning as much as it is working the kinks out and staying healthy.
by The Rabid One on Aug 25, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The exhibition games that I have seen between CIS-NCAA schools feature both squads using all their goalies and mixing lines and D-pairings….what cannot be missed is the fact some of these CIS teams skate as well and possess as much talent as the NCAA team they are playing against.
The CHL not only has more high end draft picks but also has more high end CHL alums in the NHL than the NCAA. Take a look at the top 100 players in the NHL…the CHL has a near 3-1 advantage over the NCAA. Take a look at the top rookie players in the NHL last season….once again the CHL has an overwhelming advantage, disproving that, as one moron poster put it, the NCAA and CHL are neck in neck.
I’m still waiting to hear about NCAA graduation rates. That’s great that Minnesota received a 964 APR but what exactly does that mean?? I already posted an ariticle showing that less than half of Minnesota’s senior’s graduated in 2008 yet they still managed to garner a 964 rating????
Before you knock the CHL education package, please provide specific information on how many NCAA players are on full rides on any given team, and how many actually graduate within five years. Until you can do so, everything you and Chris say is worthless.
A little sensitive, eh?!
This is really tempting because there are soooo many careless, and poorly founded statements in this article, BUT i’m not going to engage. I will say that it is truly a state of panic for NCAA hockey, and this is perfect evidence of that.
Ive been watching youth hockey for a long time,and some of the players i see these D1 schools comitting to is unbelivable,these were tier2 players a couple of years ago,the chl is winning this battle right now no doubt.
This debate bothers me on a few levels, but before anyone attacks the CHL and what percentage of their players use their scholarships or go to university, why isn’t junior ‘A’ looked at? Of course more NCAA players will graduate college. I played major junior and junior ‘A’ ,and more players from my major junior days went to university by quite a large number and used their free schooling. Of all the CHL leagues the WHL by far has the best education program and it is equal for all players. I don’t think major junior players should be able to play in the NCAA, as in most cases in Canada (obviously not all) playing junior ‘A’ and “going for a scholarship” is the second choice and many have to do it because they couldn’t play major junior. Basically, it gives late developers a chance where as if the CHL players could play NCAA they would take up a huge portion of the scholarships.
Listen if you want college hockey stronger
Let the chl players play college,it wouldnt eat up a lot of schlorships because the chl education package would pay,the ncaa would make money and put a stronger product on the ice.Most kids play in the ushl or nahl until they are 20 any way so whats the differance…….its a win win for everybody.the only one that would get hurt is the univerrsity in canada,ncaa would bennefit from it and put a stronger product on the ice.
That makes a lot of sense...
…we should take away opportunities for American kids to get a free education for playing hockey so that we can give scholarships to Canadian CHL washouts and losers who thumbed their nose at the NCAA the first time around because their agents told them they’d be in the NHL by the time they turned 20?
And what would the NCAA gain out of this? It wouldn’t strengthen the product – the average 20 year old NCAA player is better than the average 20 year old CHL washout. Opening up the NCAA to CHL scrubs would weaken the NCAA in recruiting, the CHL washouts would bring down the APR ratings (because your average CHLer hasn’t attended a class since they were 15), and it would weaken USA Hockey overall.
Yeah, that’s absolutely brilliant.
Im pretty sure you know thats not true
See the problem is people like you know that the only way for your kid to have a chance to play college hockey is for the better players to go the CHL route,the problem is the chl players would be using not schlorships but spots on rosters,and a lot of the 2nd tier players lose them spots on ncaa rosters.i would have to say a player that played 4 years in ohl would have a better shot than a guy that played 4 in NAHL OR USHL
Well, your post was a garbled, incoherent mess, but what else would you expect from a pathetic, uneducated mind?
That said, your whole premise is stupid. The NCAA isn’t going to go from being neck and neck with the CHL as the best developmental system in North America to being what the CIS is – a glorified beer league for CHL washouts and losers who couldn’t eek out a pro career. Why on Earth would they do that? They would weaken their game, they would destroy their relationship with the NHL as a developmental league, they would weaken USA Hockey, and for absolutely no benefit.
You remind me of those HFBoards idiots who propose trades sending Crosby and Malkin to the Leafs for Tyler Bozak and Jay Rosehill. Yeah, it makes sense for the Leafs, but why the hell would the Pens consider that?
Only a MORON for SlumCity Detroit would honestly believe that the NCAA is neck in neck with the CHL in attracting and developing top flight talent for the NHL. Take a look at the recent entry drafts and tell me how the NCAA compares to the CHL?!
Can we get a ban here?
If you’re going to argue with me, you’re going to have to argue what I’ve said and not what you want me to have said. If you’re too stupid to grasp what I’m saying, which appears to be the case, then I guess we’ll just have to agree that I’m right and you’re an imbecile and leave it at that.
Listen you little wannabe hood rat, I have more than responded to your feeble little posts.
You claim that the CIS is a glorified beer league yet some of those beer league teams can beat NCAA teams….so what does that tell you about the NCAA???
You claim that CHL washouts would lower the quality of the NCAA yet those CHL players are everybit as good as your average USHL and Junior Tier II players who go on to the NCAA.
You claim that the NCAA is neck in neck with the CHL in attracting and developing NHL caliber players yet the entry drafts prove otherwise!
You got nothing Mr Det(SLUMCITY)Ave and like most weak minded individuals, you jump up and down screaming for the “opposition” to be banned.
You lose!
No, I just call for the mindless trolls who lack the reading comprehension to respond to someone’s posts without putting words in their mouths to be banned. But hey, it’s not as if anyone takes you seriously.
1 thing i do know is
that DetAvs doesnt know shit about hockey,after reading some of his posts…………….
DetAvs dont tell me how strong
ncaa hockey is i watched the u-18 usa team beat and hang with a lot of the top D-1 schools,and 10 months prior to that i watched them get their ass beat bt NAHL teams.So ive been around for a while in the states and canada,you need to stay in the loop.another thing i dont get is your coment on chl washouts all the kids are trying to better themselves it doesnt matter if its ohl nahl ushl or any other league.

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