Hall vs. Seguin, Windsor vs. Plymouth: My Night in the OHL
So while I was back home in Detroit for the Frozen Four, I made a side trip down to Plymouth on Wednesday evening to take in Game 4 of the playoff series between the Plymouth Whalers and the Windsor Spitfires. Windsor was already up 3-0 in the series, and Plymouth's starting goalie, Matt Hackett had just been suspended, so I wasn't quite sure what to expect. As it turned out, I stumbled onto to one of the crazier, more memorable games I've seen in a while.
Plymouth jumped out to an early 1-0 lead. They expanded that lead in the second period on an amazing sequence where Windsor controlled the puck in the Plymouth zone for a couple solid minutes, culminating with a Zach Kassian shot that rang off the crossbar. A Plymouth player grabbed the puck, flung it down the ice, and hit a teammate coming off the bench for a line change and a breakaway goal. It was one of the most dramatic turnarounds I've seen in a hockey game. Plymouth took a 2-0 lead into the third, despite the game being pretty much all Windsor. Windsor controlled the third period as well, but Plymouth back-up Scott Wedgewood was just ridiculous throughout the game. Windsor cut the lead to 2-1 early in the third period, and managed to get the tying goal with just 38 seconds left in the period.
After Windsor got the tying goal, you could tell it was pretty much over for Plymouth. Windsor eventually scored in overtime to win the series. Final tally on shots: Plymouth 21 Windsor: 73(!). After the second period, there was a good percentage of fans that switched ends of the ice every intermission to where Windsor was shooting because that was where all of the action was. I can't stress enough how well Wedgewood played.
But I know most people aren't overly interested in the game itself. People are interested in the race between Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin for the number one pick in the draft, and the number of other NHL prospects playing in the game. Those thoughts are after the jump.
1. Hall vs. Seguin
Let me start off by saying that I'd be happy taking either player on my team. Both look like they have a very nice future. But if I were the team that had the number one pick, I would take Hall, based on what I saw.
Seguin drew a lot of negative criticism for his play in this series because Windsor mostly shut him down. There was some speculation that he was injured, though most of that speculation was just based on the fact that he put up very few points. I don't know. He was the victim of a really blatant cheap shot from behind by Zach Kassian early in the first period, so you could tell Windsor really had their sights focused on him. And with 30 seconds left in the game, he got a rare Plymouth scoring chance and the shot he took was absolutely abysmal, but other than that, there was no real evidence of an injury. He was great in the first period, but didn't do a lot in the rest of the game, though that was the case for all of Plymouth's team, as they spent the last 2+ periods of the game bottled up in their own zone.
Hall got to play in the offensive zone pretty much exclusively in this game since Windsor controlled the play so much, and that's where he really shines. Hot goaltending kept him from putting up a lot of points, but he certainly had chances.
So why would I go with Hall? I think Seguin has the potential to be a very, very good player. I think Hall has the potential to be a special offensive player. Seguin is maybe a safer bet, but Hall seems to have the higher ceiling. Players with the offensive ability of Hall don't come around very often, and I don't think a team can pass on that. It's easier to find a guy that can win face-offs and play on the back end and do the things Seguin does well, than it is to find a player that has the natural scoring ability of Hall.
2. What about that guy going third in the draft?
Shadowed by all the hype surrounding the top two picks in the draft, Windsor's Cam Fowler was also out there, and he seems to be in quite a race with Erik Gudbranson and Brandon Gormley for the third overall pick.
Fowler was the consensus third overall pick by most people, including myself, but that feeling has started to fade for some people, and as much as I've been a huge fan of Fowler for a very long time, I may be starting to agree. He's still one of the smoothest defensemen I've ever seen, and he makes great decisions with the puck, but I'm just not confident he'll ever be a guy that can rack up a ton of points in the NHL. He picked up a lot of assists playing on a great team this year, but I don't think he's exceptional in this area. Are Gudbranson or Gormley better? I'm not sure since I'm not as familiar with them, but I could see giving those two a long look instead of automatically picking Fowler.
3. Young Kids
The game wasn't exactly a showcase for kids in the '93 age group. Garrett Meurs played for Plymouth, bu t wasn't noticeable. Plymouth's two American '93s, Nick Malysa and Stefan Noesen didn't dress for the game. Craig Duininck dressed for Windsor, but I don't think he played a shift all night.
4. Guys that gave up on college
It was kind of interesting seeing Kenny Ryan, while the team he walked out on was in town and winning a national championship. He was quiet most of the night, but had some good chances in overtime. He's still basically the same player, which is to say, not nearly as dominating as he was as a 15-year-old.
Beau Schmitz looked pretty solid. It's a shame he couldn't get into college. The rest of Plymouth's defense was just brutal, including former WMU recruit Josh Bemis. Western may have actually dodged a bullet by him going elsewhere.
AJ Jenks was outstanding. He was probably Plymouth's best forward. Robbie Czarnik still refuses to pass the puck unless he absolutely has to.
5. Level of Play
The big question everyone always asks is how an OHL team like that would compare against a college hockey team. There was a little more skill than you'd see on a normal NCAA team, especially on Windsor, but probably not enough to make up for the difference in maturity and physical strength. There were some fairly average overagers on Plymouth's team that were effective out there simply because they were a little older and more mature. A team full of guys like that, or even a couple years older, would be that much tougher to play against. I think the CHL team would have about as much success as the NTDP U18s have against college teams.
The other big difference in the OHL game from the NCAA game was in the defensive zone. NCAA hockey seems just so much more tight-checking and physical. There seemed to be more emphasis on big, open ice hits in the OHL game, but otherwise, it wasn't as physical. It seems like a lot more emphasis gets placed on playing in the defensive zone with NCAA hockey players.
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By the sound of it Craig Duininck played pretty well all year but like you said his shifts in the playoffs are scarce. Not a knock on him with Ellis (what did you think of him) and the rest of that very solid blue line. Interesting path for the St Cloud kid though, but this sure beats playing for St. Tech…
So by viewing one game you believe you can make a general statement such as the NCAA is more physical. That statement is laughable.
Having watched, unlike yourself, several OHL and NCAA games this year, I can tell you that Windsor would handle any, and I mean any U.S. college team. They would kill the lower end D-1 programs and beat the Boston Colleges and Miami’s. The NTDP would not stand much of a chance against any average CHL club.
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KTF please put all crap aside. The time 10 teams in NCAA hockey Would beat the top CHL teams year in and year out. I grew up in Canada and watched many CHL games in my days. I moved to Minnesota When I was 28 and I am sorry but they are just older. thats all there is to it.
Sorry sb24 but Windsor would easily beat B.C. this year….no two ways about it. Sure some years the NCAA champ is much stronger than the CHL champ but not this year. In fact NCAA hockey is becoming progressively weaker due to its better players leaving early for the pros and many of the top young Americans opting for the CHL.
Everybodys a hard hitter when you got a cage padlocked on your face,the whole game changes when you take the bird cages off,anybody can be a hitter in ncaa hockey when they have no worries about getting their teeth knocked out… or their face broken,i dont care how much older they are,they would get hammered by ohl clubs….. a lot of barking and no bite.
Ha Ha Ha. Your kidding yourself if you think that Windsor or any OHL club could beat the NCAA champs. The QMJHL (i know, not the OHL) had an exhibition series and struggled (1-2-1) against the USHL…and I love your argument about how many of the top Americans are playing in the OHL, some yes very true, but there are PLENTY of really good Canadians in the NCAA route, if the NCAA is so inferior why would they leave??? Kenny Ryan left BC because he wasn’t looking forward to his 4th line role.
This whole argument is dumb, both paths lead to the NHL if you’re good enough. Both sides can bark all they want but it comes down to what you prefer. College hockey has developed many great players, OHL the same. Enough…
Oh yes another neophyte bringing up the old and discredited arguement about the Q struggling against USHL teams. Just to clue you in a little saww3115. Two of the very best USHL teams played two very mediocre Q teams who were missing their better players at NHL camps. The Indiana Ice, who finished 2nd in the USHL that year, falied to win a single game! Imagine had they played the top Q teams who had all their players at the ready!!!!!!!!
Have you even seen an OHL game…let alone the Windsor Spitfires???? I have and I am telling you in no uncertain terms that they would have an easy time against Boston College!
You’re kidding yourself, an easy time. Come on now…I know Canada is socialist and you all think everything up there is so elite…but lets get real. In a 7 game series BC would win in 5. Oh and by the way i did preface the QMJHL comment, but the USHL isn’t close to the NCAA’s either, especially the elite ones like BC, Wisconsin, Miami, North Dakota…as much as it pains me i have to leave Minny out of that group. Speaking of, the lofquist kid who played in Guelph was the 5th or 6th d on an average UofM team. was the coaching that much superior in Guelph or is it that he was finally playing with kids he was better than? From my point of view seeing how a kid struggled to get significant time on a .500 team in NCAA and then goes to the OHL and puts up a point a game tends to weaken your argument bud.
yes i have followed the spits closely this year. I knew the Duinick kid’s family when i worked in St Cloud…they are a machine. Great team no doubt, but the only games I’ve seen they have completely dominated. never said OHL wasn’t good dude.
You can say all you want about the OHL, it’s a great factory for NHL talent and they put a good product on the ice. But to come to an NCAA blog and spout off about how so and so can beat so and so when you know there isn’t a chance in hell either side would agree to a game is pointless. The games are different…its a moot point…

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